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PROLOGOS

Otan hr8a gia 1h fora sthn ITALIA mou ekane foberh entupwsh to oti ta 4 pio dhmofilh a8lhmata se authn thn xwra einai :

1)PODOSFAIRO(me megalh diafora)
2)FORMULA 1
3)PODHLASIA
4)MOTOCICLISMO (mhxanes)
A8lhmata san to BASKET,VOLLEY,TENNIS ktl einai se 2h moira....

Opws katalanainete, erxomenos apo Ellada , oi gnwseis mou panw sto a8lhma "Podhlasia" htan elaxistes (an kai gia polla xronia mou arese na pairnw to podhlato kai na kanw diadromes ) kai epipleon den mporousa na fantastw oti exei toso megalo endiaferon

To kleidi ths upo8eshs einai na katalabei kapoios to oti h podhladia einai OMADIKO A8LHMA
To giati 8a to ekshghsw parakatw.

4 paraththseis prin mpw sthn ousia twn pragmatwn:

1) H podhlasia se kleisto ghpedo (auth pou eidame stous Olympiakous) ,an kai fusika exei kai auth to endiaferon ths, einai san na sugkrinoume "PODOSFAIRO STOUS OLUMPIAKOUS AGWNES" , me to "MOUNDIAL".......dhladh kamia sxesh...allo a8lhma...
Epipleon auth pou eidame stous "dromous ths A8hnas" stous Olumpiakous htan mia polu aplh kai grhgorh diadromh ftiagmenh mono gia Olumpiakous agwnes.....


2) As mhn asxolh8oume me to DOPING se auto to topic, giati einai fanero oti SXEDON OLOI OI PODHLATES(an oxi oloi...) einai DOPARISMENOI....giati den einai dunaton enas fusiologikos an8rwpos na treksei 3500Km (pou diarkei px. o Giro d'Italia) sunexomena se 20 meres me meso oro taxuthtas konta sta 50 Km/h....


3) Polla apo auta pou 8a grapsw ta eixa hdh pei sthn "PRO-HACKED FORUM " epoxh , alla ta epanalambanw (san "FAQ") gia neous forumites pou endexomenws na ta diabasoun sto mellon.

4) Parakalw tous moderators na mou kanoun edit an nomizoun oti kanw polla sunexomena posts (to kanw apla gia na dhmiourghsw "8ematikes enothtes" )

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"OI PIO SHMANTIKOI AGWNES" - "IERA TERATA-XWRES THS PODHLASIAS"

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- Ka8e xrono uparxoun polloi agwnes :

Yparxei Pagkosmio prwta8lhma
Yparxoun oi "KLASIKOI" agwnes : px. oi klasikes diadromes ths Boreias Italias ktl ktl ktl ktl

OI AGWNES OMWS POU EXOUN THN MEGALUTERH SHMASIA (ta antistoixa WIMBLEDON,ROLAND GARROS ths podhlasias) einai :

1) TOUR DE FRANCE (Gallia)
2) GIRO D'ITALIA (Italia)
3) LA VUELTA (Ispania)

An eprepe na dwsoume ena "ba8mo shmantikothtas" se autous tous 3 agwnes apo 1-10 , 8a diname:

10 sto Tour de France
7,5 ston Giro d'Italia
3,5 sthn Vuelta

Shmeiwsh: Autoi oi 3 agwnes ginontai KA8E xrono thn periodo Maio-Ioulio

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- Oso anafora th dunamikothta ths ka8e xwras sthn podhlasia :

- H ITALIA einai to "NBA" ths podhlasias ,xwris omws tous CHICAGO BULLS (pou einai h omada tou "Armstong" , tou kaluterou podhlath ston kosmo ta teleutaia 6-7 xronia)

-Alles xwres paradosiaka dunates einai : GALLIA,ISPANIA,USA,GERMANIA,AYSTRALIA(sta sprint)

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- "Poioi einai oi kaluteroi podhlates olwn twn epoxwn ? " Poios einai o antistoixos PELE,MARADONA ths podhlasias ? "


Prin apanthsw se auth thn erwthsh prepei na kseka8arisoume kati (POLY SHMANTIKO) :


Yparxoun podhlates 2 eidwn :

1) SPRINTERS (podhlates eidikoi dhladh sthn taxuthta se eu8eia kai se kathfora )
(epithdes egrapsa kai "kathfora" , giati xreiazetai eidikh texnikh gia na paei kapoios grhgora sthn kathfora)
2) ANABATES (podhlates eidikoi sta bouna)


Einai duskolo na einai kapoios POLY KALOS kai sta 2......bebaia opws katalabainete o "PELE,MARADONA" ths podhlasias 8a einai kapoios o opoios htan "SUPER STIS ANHFORES" kai arketa kalos sto SPRINT , kai oxi to anti8eto...
( to lew auto giati to duskolo einai h anhfora...)


TA IERA TERATA THS PODHLASIAS EINAI :


- Gino BARTALI (Italos) (dekaetia 30'-40')

- Fausto COPPI (Italos) (dekaetia '40)

- Jacques ANQUETIL (Gallos) (dekaetia '60)

- Eddy MERCKX (Belgos) (dekaetia '70)

- Bernard HINAULT (Gallos) (dekaetia '80)

- Miguel INDURAIN (Ispanos) (dekaetia '90)


*** Oso anafora ton Lance Armstrong (ton kalutero podhlath twn teleutaiwn 5-7 xronwn , 8a afierwsoume ksexwristo kefalaio.
Auto giati , an kai einai o MONOS podhlaths sthn istoria pou katafere na kerdisei 6 fores (mexri twra) to TOUR DE FRANCE (mexri twra to eixan kerdisei 5 fores oi MERCKX,INDURAIN,ANQUETIL )
, sxedon oloi oi eidikoi ths podhlasias den tolmoun na ton sugkrinoun me ta IERA TERATA (opws o MERCKX, o INDURAIN ktl ) , giati trexei 1 mono agwna thn xronia!!! (to TOUR DE FRANCE) alla kai gia allous pollous logous (polu upoptos gia doping ktl ktl)

Bebaia ,opws isws 8a kserete, katafere na kerdisei ton KARKINO kai na gurisei sthn podhlasia kai na kerdisei 6 tour de france , opote aresei den aresei, to onoma tou mphke hdh sthn istoria....

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88° GIRO D'ITALIA (GUROS ITALIAS)

- Arxise 7 Maiou kai teleiwnei aurio 29 Maiou

- Perilambanei 20 agwnes (dhladh 2 mono meres ksekourash)

- Summetexoun 20 OMADES me 9 PODHLATES h ka8emia

- 3500Km . Arxise apo KALABRIA(notia Italia) kai termazizei sto MILANO(boreia Italia)


- GENIKH PLANIMETRIA :




- GENIKH YPSOMETRIA :





KANONES :

Sas ekshgw me polu apla logia ti sumbainei :
As upo8esoume oti :

DEYTERA: Exoume diadromh 150km sxedon olh epipedh diadromh (ara eidikh gia "SPRINTERS" ) .

o A podhlaths ftanei se 2h 35min 12''
o B podhlaths ftanei se 2h 36min 12''

Thn trith pou 8a ksekinhsoume ton 2° agwna , o A podhlaths einai sthn genikh ba8mologia 1°s me 60seconds diafora apo ton 2° ......

*** S-O-S : Stous 3 prwtous podhlates dinetai kai "BONUS" :

20seconds ston 1°
12seconds ston 2°
8 seconds ston 3°

ARA, o podhlaths A exei pleonekthma se sxesh me ton B: 60seconds +20 - 12 to bonus = 68 seconds !!!!!

*** S-O-S : Se orismenous agwnes ,gia na exei endiaferon o agwnes kai kata thn diarkeia tou (kai oxi mono sto telos) , dinontai bonus kai endiamesa....px. poios 8a ftasei 1°s sthn korufh tou tade bounou....


Y-P-E-R-S-O-S : Opws katalabainete , otan oi diadromes einai EPIPEDES einai duskolo o A podhlaths na afhsei ton B polu pisw......dhladh milame oti maximum 8a ton afhsei 1-2-3 lepta pisw....

Stis ANHFORES omws , opws katalabainete , allazei h istoria......an kapoios den einai "anabaths" , mporei na xasei se mia diadromh px 200Km (me 50Km anhfora) mexri kai 30min !!!!


APOTELESMA? Kai o GIRO D'ITALIA kai to TOUR DE FRANCE diarkoun 3 embomades peripou. Thn 1h ebdomada oi diadromes den exoun duskoles anhfores......ara kapoios pou den kserei apo podhlasia blepei sthn genikh ba8mologia px. ton ARMSTRONG na einai sthn 20h 8esh me meinokthma px. 5 lepta....kai sou leei "Ti ginetai twra??? pws 8a kalupsei thn diafora ??? "

H apanthsh einai : " Oi SPRINTERS sta bouna 8a patwsoun......"

Allwste polloi SPRINTERS summetexoun mono thn 1h emdomada kai meta egkataleipoun....oi sponsores tous dinoun lefta giati estw kai an kerdisoun 1-2 agwnes ths 1hs embomadas, kerdizoun dhmosiothta (giati h thleorash akolou8ei polu auton pou odhgei thn koursa..,opote fainontai oi sponsores sthn fanela tou podhlath ..ktl )


"GIATI H PODHLASIA EINAI "OMADIKO" A8LHMA"

- Otan kapoios prepei na kanei se mia mera px. 250Km diadromh me anhfores, kathfores , sprint ktl , einai fanero oti den mporei apo monos tou na krathsei STA8ERO ru8mo.....

Allwste milame gia "meses" taxuthtes konta sta 40Km/h.....

SE AUTO TO SHMEIO einai pou erxontai oi "sumpaiktes" na paiksoun polu shmantiko rolo....

Oi sumpaiktes prepei na "TRABHKSOUN" ton arxhgo tous sta duskola shmeia...(px . anhfores)
An o arxhgos blepei ena sumpakth tou mprosta, prospa8ei na "KRATHSEI THS RODA" kai etsi den epibradunei !

- Epishs einai polu shmantikh h TAKTIKH sthn podhlasia.....Dhladh epitagxunseis "MPLOFA" ktl ktl

Den epimenw polu sto 8ema, giati se liges endomades pou 8a exoume to TOUR DE FRANCE , elpizw na mporesw na sas dhigoumai tous agwnes analutika (an den tous blepete apo doruforikh ) , opote 8a katalabete thn shmasia ths omadas....

P.x o ARMSTRONG exei thn kaluterh omada ston kosmo ta teleutaia 5 xronia....

[ael]

wraia ta post sou file mou!eidika auta prin apo to hack.latrhs ths podhlasias den eimai,kathe fora omws pou kata tyxh to pianw sthn tv,kollaw!sigoura ena apo ta kalytera athlimata pros parakolouthish!peran toutou,mia aporia:poioi einai oi 'sympaiktes'?oi typoi me ta autokinhta pou akolouthoun ton podhlath?

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"POIA HTAN TA FABORI TOU 88° GIRO D'ITALIA" :


Katarxhn , prin pw ta fetina fabori , gia na sas balw ligo mesa sto nohma ths podhlasias , 8a ksodepsw liga logia gia 1 apo tous podhlates pou agaph8hkan perissotero sthn ITALIA.....

O "PEIRATHS" MARCO PANTANI.....






THLEOPTIKOS, APISTEUTOS ANABATHS.....(ekei pou oi alloi stis anhfores "KOLASEIS" htan etoimoi na pe8anoun.....autos EPITAGXUNE!!!, giati opws elege "Den antexw thn agwnia...8elw na teleiwnw grhgora"... )

O Marco PAntani katafere to 1998 na kerdisei thn IDIA XRONIA GIRO D'ITALIA kai TOUR DE FRANCE (kati pou exoun kataferei elaxistoi podhlates sthn istoria..... einai san na leme na kerdiseis MOUNDIAL KAI EURO mesa se 2 xronia sto podosfairo..)

Dustuxws.....to 1999 ston Giro d'Italia ton stamathsan gia doping....(eixe aimatokrith ligo pio panw apo to orio....)

Den antekse auth thn ntroph....opws leei o idios htan to eksilasthrio 8uma se ena a8lhma pou OLOI einai sta oria tou doping.....

Autoktonhse prin ligous mhnes se ena hotel sto RIMINI me overdose kokainhs.....IL PIRATA....o PEIRATHS.... O DAIMONAS THS ANHFORAS....pe8ane san ton teleutaio prezakia....krima...agaph8hke polu ....

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Epanerxomai sta fetina fabori . Sta xartia ta fabori htan : (8a ksodepsw liga logia gia ton ka8ena tous, giati 8a tous ksanabroume sto TOUR DE FRANCE se liges emdomades.... )


1) CUNEGO !!! H megalh elpida ths italikhs podhlasias (23 xronwn) , o persinos nikhths tou GIRO D'ITALIA!!

**** Se auto to shmeio prepei na sas pw to ekshs : Ston persino GIRO sunebh to ekshs fobero !!!! O CUNEGO ksekinhse san "BOH8OS" tou arxhgou = SIMONI , kai telika kerdise kai ton arxhgo tou !!!!! (malwsan ktl ktl )




2) SIMONI !!!! (des parapanw) . Gerase pleon o 2 fores nikhths tou GIRO , alla einai panta polu dunatos !

(prwhn "BOH8OS" tou PANTANI !!!)




3) IVAN BASSO !!!!! : Shmeiwste auto to onoma....giati isws na milame gia ton kainourgio ARMSTRONG.......perusi hr8e 3°s sto TOUR DE FRANCE kai paraligo na kerdisei ton Armstrong.....o idios o Armstrong eipe oti o "IVAN O TROMEROS" einai to mellon ths podhlasias....

Eidikothta tou h anhfora kai aarketa kalos stis epipedes diadromes




4) SAVOLDELLI !!!! : BOH8OS sthn omada tou Armstrong !!!! Isws o kaluteros ston kosmo stis "KATHFORES" !!!! (opou den kanei oute ena la8os kai dialuei tous pantes...foberh taxuthta kai grafei tis strofes san moirognwmonio... den kserei ti shmainei h leksh "freno".....)

Arketa kalos kai stis anhfores (oxi super).




5) Danilo di Luca : Foberos sto SPRINT , metrios stis anhfores.




6) Yparxoun kai alloi dunatoi podhlates alla den xanw xrono na sas tous anaferw mias kai shmera kri8hke o nikhths (8a sas to pw parakatw... )

Pantws aksizei na anaferw diashmous "SPRINTERS" (oi 3 kaluteroi ston kosmo) pou stigmatisan thn 1h ebdomada tou GIRO :

i)Paolo Bettini ( o nikhths stous Olumpiakous ths A8hnas )





ii)Alessandro Petacchi



iii) o Australos Mcewen

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"POIOS KERDISE TELIKA TON 88° GIRO D'ITALIA" :


Opws katalabainete den mporw na sas perigrapsw 18 diadromes pou eginan apo 7 Maiou mexri shmera.....

8a sas perigrapsw omws thn shmerinh , sthn opoia kai kri8hke o telikos nikhths !!!!

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Loipon, h shmerinh diadromh htan kai h pio duskolh tou GIRO D'ITALIA...... koitakste ligo gia ti milame....





H diadromh opws blepete htan 190 Km kai perielambane 3 FOBERES ANHFORES...... H pio duskolh anhfora einai h 2h (COLLE DELLE FINESTRE) opou h megisth klish einai 16%

Gia na katalabete ligo thn duskolia...milame oti oi anabates pane me 9-10Km/h......


"PWS HTAN H KATASTASH MEXRI SHMERA" :

Sunebhsan fobera pragmata ston 88° GIRO D'ITALIA !!!!! Htan polu omorfos agwnas kai sas anaferw periliptika ti egine :

- Thn 1h ebdomada o megalos prwtagonisths htan o PAOLO BETTINI , pou kerdise 3 diadromes nomizw kai emeine gia 1 ebdomada me thn ROZ FANELA.

-Polu kala ta phgan kai oi PETACCHI,MCEWEN,DANILO DI LUCA (kerdisan 2-3 diadromes o ka8enas)

-- H prwth (ARNHTIKH) ekplhksh hr8e molis sto telos ths 1hs emdomadas........ O CUNEGO(o persinos nikhths) sthn 1h DUSKOLH diadromh me ANHFORES ...klatare.....emeine 8 lepta pisw apo SIMONI,BASSO,SAVOLDELLI ktl , opote opws katalabainete....ADDIO nikh......

- H megalh (ARNHTIKH) ekplhksh hr8e thn 2h emdomada........ O IVAN "O TROMEROS" BASSO enw ola edeixnan oti 8a nikouse aneta auton ton GIRO D'ITALIA (mias kai o CUNEGO htan hdh OUT) , sthn 2h pio duskolh ANHFORA tou GIRO , eixe problhma me to stomaxi tou kai exase 40 lepta...

Krima , giati ta phgaine pragmatika polu kala......O proponhths tou h8ele na ton aposurei apo ton agwna , alla o idios dialekse na sunexisei kai na ftasei ston teliko proorismo(MILANO) , gia na timhsei ton agwna

(malista kerdise kai 2 diadromes tis epomenes meres)


ARA..... Emeinan thn teleutaia ebdomada 4 podhlates upopshfioi gia thn nikh :

1)Savoldelli !!!!
2)Simoni ( o palios einai alliws )
3)Danilo di Luca
4)Rujano !!! (enas nearos apo thn VENEZUELA 23 xronwn kai 49Kg , apisteutos sthn anhfora kai h megalh eklphksh(8etikh) )

POIOS 8A KERDISEI??????

Ola kri8hkan ston shmerino agwna......Files kai filoi eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoume thn F-O-B-E-R-H ANHFORA tou "COLLE DELLE FINESTRE"......

"TI ELEGE H LOGIKH TOU AGWNA":


- O SAVOLDELLI eixe mexri shmera 2min 09 seconds diafora apo ton SIMONI (2°s sthn genikh ba8mologia)

-O SAVOLDELLI sigoura 8a exane seconds (isws kai minutes) stis 3 anhfores , alla 8a kerdize stis KATHFORES .....Opote o stoxos htan na xasei sunolika LIGOTERO APO 60+60+9-20 seconds ....= 109 seconds

(dhladh ta 2min 9seconds alla kai ta 20seconds "BONUS" pou 8a kerdize o SIMONI an erxotan 1°sthn shmerinh diadromh )


- O SIMONI apo thn allh , exontas dilpa tou ton "sumpaikth-boh8o" CUNEGO , elpize na kerdisei polla stis anhfores.....

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Arxizei o agwnas......meta apo 150Km peripou ,kai exontas perasei thn 1h anhfora, o SIMONI apofasizei na kanei EPI8ESH!!!!!
Afhnei arxika 20seconds pisw ton SAVOLDELLI kai sunexizei na auksanei to probadisma pou phre , mias kai o Savoldelli den einai dunaton na krathsei ton ru8mo tou Simoni sthn anhfora.....


Telika ftanei sthn korufh tou bounou "COLLE DELLE FINESTRE" o SIMONI me 2min kai 20 seconds diafora apo ton Savoldelli !!!!!!!!!!

AUTH THN STIGMH EINAI ROZ FANELA O SIMONI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



-Twra arxizei h kathfora , kai opws htan anamenomeno o SAVOLDELLI meiwnei thn diafora sto 1minute kai 40seconds !!!

(dhladh kerdise se 10km kathforas 40 seconds )


-Ftasame sthn telikh anhfora prin ton termatismo...... O Simoni odhgei thn koursa kai exei dipla tou , tous DANILO DI LUCA KAI RUJANO (dhladh ton 3° kai 4° sthn genikh ba8mologia...)


Kai dustuxws sumbainei to ekshs......pianei "KRAMPA" ton DANILO DI LUCA.....kai xanei thn epafh me tous allous 2......

Polu kako auto apo pleuras taktikhs.....giati o SIMONI exei meinei MONO ME 1 podhlath dipla tou , kai pws 8a ta kataferoun oi 2 tous na antimetwpisoun thn anhfora????

Einai fanero oti 8a pane arga giati den uparxoun polloi na dinoun "allagh o enas ston allo sto "trabhgma" "......

Apo thn allh , o Savoldelli einai pisw tous me POLU KALOUS sumpaiktes pou ton boh8oun na mhn epibradunei !!!!


Telika o Savoldelli katafernei na krathsei thn ROZ FANELA gia 28 seconds!!!!!!!


OLA AUTA POU SAS EIPA, koitakte ta ligo stis FOTOGRAFIES :

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http://www.repubblica.it/2003/e/gallerie/sport/giroditalia/reuters62922152805194348_big.jpg

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SIMONI :




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SAVOLDELLI :


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TELIKH BA8MOLOGIA TOU GUROU ITALIAS :


1 SAVOLDELLI ITA 88:01:43 0:00
2 SIMONI ITA 88:02:11 0:28
3 RUJANO VEN 88:02:28 0:45
4 DI LUCA Danilo ITA 88:04:25 2:42
5 GARATE ESP 88:04:54 3:11
6 HONCHAR UKR 88:06:05 4:22
7 KARPETS RUS 88:12:58 11:15
8 CAUCCHIOLI ITA 88:13:21 11:38
9 BRUSEGHIN ITA 88:13:23 11:40
10 SELLA ITA 88:14:16 12:33


*** Me kokkino = h diafora se sxesh me ton 1°
***88h ekanan oi a8lhtes gia na dianusoun ta 3500Km

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OI NIKHTES TOU GIRO D'ITALIA apo to 1909-2004 :

http://www.gazzetta.it/Speciali/Giroditalia/2005/ita/albodoro.html

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Orismena VIDEAKIA , gia na deite tis fatses(pera apo tis foto ) , twn a8lhtwn gia tous opoious milhsame:

(KANTE COPY-PASTE thn dieu8unsh ston broswer sas)


SIMONI : javascript:videoDSL('/Ciclismo/Media/Video/2005/05-Maggio/28/vDSL_simoni280505.ram&Gilberto%20Simoni')

IVAN BASSO : javascript:videoDSL('/Ciclismo/Media/Video/2005/05-Maggio/28/vDSL_1basso280505.ram&Ivan%20Basso')

SAVOLDELLI : javascript:videoDSL('/Ciclismo/Media/Video/2005/05-Maggio/27/vDSL_savoldelli270505-1920.ram&Paolo%20Savoldelli')

CUNEGO : javascript:videoDSL('/Ciclismo/Media/Video/2005/05-Maggio/28/vDSL_1cunego280505.ram&Damiano%20Cunego')

RUJANO : javascript:videoDSL('/Ciclismo/Media/Video/2005/05-Maggio/28/vDSL_rujano280505.ram&Josè%20Rujano')

DANILO DI LUCA : javascript:videoDSL('/Ciclismo/Media/Video/2005/05-Maggio/26/vDSL_diluca-02-260505.ram&Danilo%20Di%20Luca')

[savroulis]

αυτό που φαίνετε και στισ φωτογραφίες είναι ότι ο δρόμος έιναι χωματόδρομος και αυτοί κοντράροντε με κούρσες!!!!


απορία στην κατηφόρα που ανέβηκε 40" ο σαβολντελι ή διαδρομή ήταν χωμάτινη???? αν ναι τότε πολύ α***τος κατηφορικός ποδηλάτης....

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Htan xwmatodromos mono sta teleutaia 5-6 km prin thn korufh tou bounou

Ta upoloipa 180-185km htan asfaltos kai foberh malista.

O xwmatodromos konta sthn korufh tou bounou (2178m) se sunduasmo me tis apisteutes anhfores , edine mia agria omorfia

Egw uposthriza ton SIMONI (me en8ousiazoun oi Anabates), alla opws ekshghsa sta prohgoumena post , emeine xwris "boh8ous" sta teleutaia km kai se sunduasmo me thn hlikia tou ...htan duskolo na sunexisei na epiti8etai.
(ara den mporese na kalupsei thn diafora apo ton Savoldelli......epipleon o Savoldelli brhke polu kalous podhlates apo alles omades sthn poreia ths diadromhs, pou ton boh8hsan na krathsei upshlo ru8mo... )

(einai POLY shmantiko na eisai se ena "GROUP" podhlatwn opou mia "trabaei" o enas mia o allos...mporeis kai perneis anases kai tautoxrona kratas upsilh taxuthta)


PANTWS, proteinw se osous anteksan na diabasoun auta ta post , na prospa8hsete na deite se liges ebdomades to TOUR DE FRANCE......(prepei na to deixnei to EUROSPORT nomizw)

(8a sas pw egw poies diadromes na parakolou8hsete kai prin tis diadromes 8a sas kanw analisi ti leei h logikh , ti na proseksete ktl)

H stigmh pou enas anabaths kanei "EPI8ESH" sta bouna einai F-O-B-E-R-H.....na blepeis podhlates etoimous na pesoun katw apo to podhlato....kliseis 15% stis alpeis...kai ksafnika na ginontai epi8eseis....

Stis alpeis ka8e xrono mazebontai xiliades kosmou (oi podhlates suxna diadarturontai giati olo kai uparxei kapoios trelos pou tous akoumpaei ktl... )



SHMEIWSH : Rwthsan ton SAVOLDELLI (pou einai "sumpaikths-boh8os" tou ARMSTRONG , sthn omada "Discovery Channel" ) , an twra pou kerdise ton GIRO D'ITALIA , 8a sunexisei na einai boh8os tou Amerikanou sto TOUR DE FRANCE h 8a apofasisei na prospa8hsei na epite8ei!!!!

O Savoldelli apanthse oti den 8a epite8ei gia 2 logous :

1)O Armstrong einai o kaluteros kai 8a ton kerdize etsi ki'alliws (den to eipe akribws etsi , alla auth htan h metafrash )

2)8elei na sebastei tis sumfwnies pou eixan ginei prin mhnes.



Se liges meres, 8a sas balw se "PRO-TOUR DE FRANCE" klima ......

Dhladh poioi 8a einai oi antipaloi tou Armstrong , ti exei kerdisei o Amerikanos sth zwh tou , GIATI 8ewreitai o TOP podhlaths tou kosmou ktl ktl

[ael]

de mas vazeis twra,giati se liges meres epistrefw Ellada kai den tha exw internet?! porwthika me podhlasia!

yg:nai,sto Eurosport tha to deixei.to deixnei kathe xrono

[projected]

OK. LOIPON :

TOUR DE FRANCE.....to WIMBLEDON ths podhlasias....to MOUNIAL ths podhlasias.... Opoios kerdizei auton ton agwna einai o KALUTEROS podhlaths ston kosmo kai h omada tou einai h KALUTERH ston kosmo.....

Ena mikro sxolio :

Perusi o ARMSTRONG ekane rekor olwn twn epoxwn kerdizontas 6 fores to Tour de France (kai sunexomenes malista !!!!)Perase tous ANQUETIL,MERCKX,INDURAIN (pou to eixan kerdisei 5 fores)

Proswpika pisteuw (kai den to lew mono egw alla to 95% twn eidikwn.....) oti einai "IEROSULIA" na grafetai to onoma tou ARMSTRONG panw apo to onoma px. tou MERCKX....(oso anafora tis nikes sto Tour...)


AN O MERCKX etrexe 1 mono agwna olo to xrono (opws kanei o Armstrong)......tote 8a eixe kerdisei 20 -30 Tour de France sth seira.....


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S-O-S PAREN8ESH : Sta arxika post sas egrapsa tous 5 megaluterous podhlates olwn twn epoxwn.

Anamesa stous 5 ,AN eprepe kapoios na dialeksei 2 , den nomizw oti uparxei amfibolia....

OLOI (ma OLOI !!!) sumfwnoun oti o MERCKX (Belgos) htan o KALUTEROS OLWN TWN EPOXWN.....kerdise tosous pollous agwnes kai titlous sth zwh tou , pou dikaia tou bghge to pseudwnumo : " O KANIBALOS"



O kaluteros omws podhlaths (poiotika) isws na htan o FAUSTO COPPI (Italos), alla kerdise ta misa apo auta pou kerdise o Belgos.
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Gurizontas sto fetino TOUR DE FRANCE , gia na mhn parekshgh8w ki olas , upogrammizw oti o LANCE ARMSTRONG paramenei ena "FAINOMENO"....einai F-O-B-E-R-O-S podhlaths kai meta thn asxhmh poreia tou PANTANI , sigoura den uparxei sobaros antipalos na ton kontrarei.
(p.s: O PANTANI paramenei o kaluteros ANABATHS twn teleutaiwn 20 xronwn kata th gnwmh mou.....otan kontraristhkane me ton Armstrong sthn anhfora ton kerdise.... Opws elege o PANTANI meta thn upo8esh doping "8ELW NA GURISW STO TOUR DE FRANCE gia na afhsw pisw sthn anhfora ton "AMERIKANO"......den elege kan to onoma...tou arese na ton apokalei "O AMERIKANOS"...
Bebaia o ARMSTRONG htan (kai einai) pio oloklhrwmenos podhlaths......

Einai sigoura mesa stous 10 kaluterous podhlates olwn twn epoxwn , alla kata th gnwmh mou tous 5 prwtous den tous plhsiazei KAN.

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TOUR DE FRANCE 2005 :

- Arxizei tis prwtes meres tou IOULIOU (den exw checkarei akoma thn akribh hmeromhnia)

-Diarkei ,opws kai o GIRO D'ITALIA , 20-25 meres

- Pairnoun meros oi omades tou PRO-TOUR (dhladh oi kaluteres omades ston kosmo ) + 2 WILDCARD

- Exei ta ekshs xarakthristika :

1)Exei pio "eukola" bouna (tis pio duskoles anhfores tis exei o GIRO D'ITALIA)

2)Exei pio megales "XRONODIADROMES"

***Se auto to shmeio prepei na ekshghsw kati (den to exw pei mexri twra) :


Yparxoun 3 eidwn diadromes :

1)"Grhgores kai epipedes" (eidikes gia SPRINTERS)

2)Anhfores,bouna (eidikes gia ANABATES)

3)"XRONODIADROMES" : Orizoume mia diadromh px. 50Km. O ka8enas trexei MONOS TOU kai metrame poso xrono kanei gia na ftasei.

Kerdizei fusika opoios kanei ton kalutero xrono (einai san na trexei 100m stibo o ka8e a8lhths monos tou kai meta na sugkrinoume tous xronous.)

BEBAIA , epeidh milame gia 150-200 a8lhtes.......opws katalabainete an perimenoume na ftasei o enas kai na ksekinhsei o allos...den 8a teleiwname pote...

OPOTE : Feugei o enas. Meta apo 15lepta px. , ksekinaei o allos ktl ktl.

(auto kanei thn diadromh polu endiaferousa , giati otan thn blepeis sthn tv, mporeis na sugkrineis ta "perasmata" , opws sthn formula 1 dhladh.....koitas se ti xrono perase o tade apo to tade xiliometro ktl ktl


S-O-S : STIS XRONODIADROMES, o ARMSTRONG EINAI O TOP OF THE TOP......ASSULHPTOS...ANIKHTOS....SUPER



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p.s: OI NIKHTES STO TOUR DE FRANCE apo to 1903-2004

http://it.sports.yahoo.com/cy/tdf/win/



TO BE CONTINUED............

[savroulis]

Tour de France July 2nd - July 24th

πάμε γερά μήτσοοοοοοο



πότε φτάνουμε??????

[savroulis]

Μεθόδους που θυμίζουν εποχή Ψυχρού Πολέμου χρησιμοποιεί η επαγγελματική ομάδα ποδηλασίας CSC από τη Δανία, για να αποφεύγουν οι αθλητές της τους δημοσιογράφους, οι οποίοι της ασκούν σκληρή κριτική. Όπως αποκαλύπτουν οι δημοσιογράφοι οι οποίοι καλύπτουν τον οκταήμερο αγώνα «Ντοφινέ Λιμπερέ», που αποτελεί «προθέρμανση» του Γύρου της Γαλλίας, άνθρωποι της CSC «φακελώνουν» δημοσιογράφους κατά τη διάρκεια συνεντεύξεων Τύπου, τους φωτογραφίζουν και στη συνέχεια δίνουν εντολές στους ποδηλάτες με ποιους πρέπει να μιλούν και με ποιους όχι.

Όπως εξηγεί ο εκπρόσωπος των δημοσιογράφων Ζιλ Ντε Ρος, η ομάδα της Δανίας γνώριζε ποιος δημοσιογράφος τη συμπαθεί, ποιος υποβάλλει σκληρές ερωτήσεις και ποιος ασχολείται με το ντόπινγκ στην ποδηλασία. Το θέμα έφθασε μέχρι τον πρόεδρο της Διεθνούς Ποδηλατικής Ομοσπονδίας Χάιν Φερμπρούγκεν, ο οποίος υποσχέθηκε να λάβει άμεσα μέτρα. Εκπρόσωπος της CSC έσπευσε να διαψεύσει όσα αναφέρουν οι δημοσιογράφοι.

[savroulis]

Ενα πολύ καλό άρθρο για το πώς ο Lance είναι Normal απλά με παρα πολύ θέληση και πάρα πολύ δουλειά!!! ( το άρθρο έιναι στα αγγλικα)

[projected]

TOUR DE FRANCE 2005 :


Sas parousiazw ta fabori tou fetinou gurou ths Gallias


FABORI n°1: Poios allos...o "Amerikanos" me thn omada tou (DISCOVERY). Fetos exei A-P-I-S-T-E-Y-T-H omada..... :



---Savoldelli---- (o fetinos nikhths tou GIRO D'ITALIA pou opws dhlwse den uparxei periptwsh na kanei epi8esh ston arxhgo tou giati pera apo to oti oi apofaseis exoun hdh par8ei(gia to poios 8a einai o arxhgos) kai na tou ekane epi8esh , 8a exane )

---Popovych,Rubiera, Azevedo, Hincapie..............poly duskola ta pragmata gia tous antipalous tou Armstrong......oi sumpaiktes tou Amerikanou einai "mhxanes"


ANTIPALOS n°1 tou ARMSTRONG: ULLRICH (Germanos) me thn omada tou ( T-MOBILE)









O Germanos einai FOBEROS a8lhths......polu dunato swma, megalo talento alla usterei ston pio shmantiko tomea...."thn psuxologia".....
Einai o aiwnios "2°s" ths podhlasias ta teleutaia xronia.
Exase apo ton Pantani,xanei sunexeia apo ton Armstrong....

Fetos den summeteixe ston GIRO D'ITALIA gia na krathsei dunameis gia to TOUR DE FRANCE (opws kanei o Amerikanos). Gia na doume an 8a allaksei kati.

Sthn omada tou uparxoun polu dunatoi podhlates apo tous opoious ksexwrizoun oi Vinokurov, Kloden kai Sevilla


ANTIPALOS n°2 tou ARMSTRONG: IVAN BASSO....to xruso paidi ths italikhs podhlasias (perusi hr8e 3°s sto TOUR kai duskolepse mexri to telos ton Amerikano).

Isws h fetinh na einai h "swsth" xronia. O Ivan belptiw8hke POLU stis XRONODIADROMES(to dunato shmeio tou Amerikanou) kai an den eixe ekeino to problhma me to stomaxi tou , 8a kerdize perpatwntas ton GIRO D'ITALIA.

Pasxei apo omada...h omada tou einai 1 klash (toulaxiston) katwterh se sxesh me tis DISCOVERY kai T-MOBILE






(Aristera ARMSTRONG, Deksia IVAN BASSO)

ANTIPALOS n°3 tou ARMSTRONG: Edw 8a ebaza ton CUNEGO (h allh megalh elpida ths Italias) ,alla prin liges ebdomades bghke sthn epifaneia oti exei prosblh8ei apo ton io ths MONOPURHNWSHS (EPSTEIN BARR) kai isws autos na htan o logos pou apogohteuse ston GIRO D'ITALIA.

Den kserw an 8a einai etoimos gia to Tour de France. Ta arxika sxedia ths omadas tou elegan oti 8a pontarane ston SIMONI ston GIRO D'ITALIA kai ston CUNEGO sto TOUR DE FRANCE.
An epibebaiw8oun ta problhmata tou Cunego ,tote isws o SIMONI na anagkastei na summetasxei sto Tour (makari, giati mporei na einai geros pleon alla to leei h kardia tou.....kai mhn ksexname oti einai apo tous TOP anabates ston kosmo)


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PI8ANES EKPLHKSEIS : Piepoli,Garzelli,Cioni,Heras, Mayo, Valverde e Rogers.

[projected]

Pros8etw orismena pragmata :


1) H sunolikh diadromh tou TOUR DE FRANCE 8a einai 3584 Km
(diarkeia 2-24 Iouliou) (me 2 h 3 meres ksekourash anamesa sto diasthma twn 23 hmerwn)

(O Giro d'Italia htan 3446 Km)


2) Autes tis ebdomades kanw mia polu wraia sullogh DVD ths GAZZETTA DELLO SPORT sxetika me megalous podhlates tou parel8ontos :







An uparxei kati analogo sthn Ellada, h mporeite na exete prosbash sthn Gazzetta (sundromh ktl ) , parte ta auta ta DVD..... einai arketa kala.


p.s: savroulis sto epomeno post mou 8a sxoliasw ligo pio sobara to "fainomeno Armstrong" kai ta erwthmatika pou uparxoun sxetika me tis epidoseis tou.

[AnimeGR]

Ένα πολύ καλό άρθρο για τις επιδόσεις του Armstrong:
http://www.tanea.gr/print_article.php?e=A&f=18272&m=N54&aa=1
και επίσης η έρευνα την οποία σχολιάζουν σε αυτό το άρθρο:
http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/reprint/98/6/2191.pdf

[projected]

AnimeGR Kalws Hr8es sto topic "Podhlasia"

H gnwmh mou gia ton Armstrong einai h eskhs :

8ETIKA SHMEIA :

1) Den einai tuxaios a8lhths. Akoma kai otan den htan to n°1 ston kosmo, eixe kerdisei arketous agwnes. Amesws fanhke oti htan polu megalo talento kai an den kanw la8os einai o neoteros podhlaths pou kerdise pote to Pagkosmio ptwta8lhma.
Epipleon eixe kerdisei kai 1 agwna sto Tour de France (prosoxh: OXI to Tour...alla 1 diadromh, mou fainetai thn diadromh pou einai afierwmenh ston Casartelli). Epishs kerdise thn diadromh Freccia-Vallone ktl.

2) H arrwstia allakse to swma tou. Exase 7-8 kila kai metamorfw8hke se podhlath agwnwn "me diadromes" (dhladh Tour de France,Giro d'Italia ktl)

3) Apisteuth proponhsh kai "episthmonikh" proetoimasia. Oloi osoi proponh8hkan mazi tou emeinan afwnoi...
Arkei na skeftei kapoios oti fetos phge na proponh8ei sthn anhfora tou Alpe d'Huez 10 fores....

4) Apo texnikhs apopshs, o Armstrong efere sthn podhlasia thn "polu upslh suxnothta petaliou" (dhladh dialegei tetoia alusida pou tou epitrepei na gurnaei polles fores ton troxo). Auth h texnikh tou epitrepei na elisetai polu kala kai, oso kai an fainetai periergo, na kourazetai ligotero.

Epipleon sta + bazw thn polu kalh "strathgikh" pou exei kata thn diarkeia twn agwnwn (TOU agwna mallon , giati mono se 1 summetexei..lol).
Den ton pianei panikos kai "skeftetai polu tous agwnes"......Meletaei apo prin se poia shmeia ths diadromhs prepei na epite8ei , enw einai ikanos na "diabazei" sta proswpa twn antipalwn tou , thn kourash (opote kai na epiti8etai th swsth stigmh)




ARNHTIKA SHMEIA :


1) Pairnei akoma (toulaxiston mexri perusi sigoura..) farmaka gia ton karkino...Exei dikaiwma (apo thn omospondia kai giatrous) na pairnei testosteronh (gia na antimetwpisei thn as8eneia, mias kai o organismos tou den thn paragei pleon).

Opws katalabainete polloi auto to onomazoun "NOMIMO DOPING"....

2) Eixe kathgorh8ei sto parel8on polles fores oti exei epafh me ta "megala kefalia" tou doping kai polloi milousan gia EPO otan htan mh anixneusimh ktl (kati san thn upo8esh Kenterh ktl...pou osoi htan sto xwro tou stibou to hkseran kai emeis perifaneuomastan...)

3) Ta parakatw pou 8a pw (ta exw hdh pei) den mporei na ta amfisbhthsei kaneis (enw to 8ema tou doping nai)....

O Armstrong oso megalos a8lhths kai na einai, den 8a mporesei pote na sugkri8ei me podhlates san ton Coppi, Merkcx, Hinault ktl...
Giati trexei 1 agwna olo to xrono....(estw kai an einai o pio shmantikos agwnas ston kosmo).
Ok dikaiwma tou . Alla den mporei na exei thn apaithsh na sugkri8ei me ta IERA TERATA THS PODHLASIAS pou kerdizan to Tour de fRance....tis "klasikes diadromes" ths Boreias Italias, ths Gallias, ths Ispanias....ktl ktl ktl ktl ktl ktl ktl ktl .....


TIMH STON A8LHTH ARMSTRONG
TIMH STON AN8RWPO ARMSTRONG

ALLA OTAN PREPEI NA SKEFTW TOUS A8LHTES POU ME EKANAN NA DAKRUSW....POU ME EKANAN NA GNWRISW THN MEGALH PODHLASIA (eite apeu8eias eite mesa apo kasetes,dvd,documentary, dihghseis apo palious).................

TOTE TO MUALO MOU PAEI STON "KANIBALO".......STON EDDY....STON FAUSTO.......STON MIGUEL....ktl


(sugkinh8hka.....den blepw thn wra n'arxisei to Tour ! )

[P.A.O.]

Φιλοι συμForumιτες μου , θελω την βοηθεια σας

Θελω να αγορασω ενα πολυ καλο ποδηλατο για να κανω ποδηλασια στην Εξοχη !

Μπορειτε να μου πειτε ποια ειναι τα καλα μαγαζια ποδηλατων για να παω να το αγορασω !

Αναμενω

[Manchester_7]

O Κασσιματης ειναι πολυ γνωστος "ποδηλατας". Εχει μαγαζι στον Πειραια και στην Γλυφαδα καπου νομιζω. Επισης παλιοτερα ειχε πολλα ποδηλαταδικα στο κεντρο κοντα στο Πολυτεχνειο (δεν ξερω αν υπαρχουν ακομη). Ποδηλατα εχει και το Praktiker και διαφορα αλλα μεγαλα super-market αν δεν κανω λαθος. Διαλεγεις και παιρνεις!

Δες και στο site του Κασσιματη εαν θελεις για αρχη

http://www.kassimatis.gr/

[P.A.O.]

Δεν υπαρχει επωνυμο μαγαζι ποδηλατων στην Ανατολικη Αττικη ?

[Argyris]

Παρουσιαζω εδω τον χαρτη του Tour de France 2005



21 μερες... συνολικα 3607 km (και οποιος αντεξει... )

1. Fromentine - Noirmoutier en L'Ile, 19 km (αγωνας ταχυτητας ποδηλατων)
2. Challans - Les Essarts, 181,5 km
3. La Chataigneraie - Tours, 212,5 km
4. Tours - Blois, 67,5 km (αγωνας ομαδων)
5. Chambord - Montargis, 183 km
6. Troyes - Nancy, 199 km
7. Luneville - Karlsruhe, 228,5 km
8. Pforzheim - Gerardmer, 231,5 km
9. Gerardmer - Mulhouse, 171 km
--- 1. μερα ξεκουρασης ---
10. Grenoble - Courchevel, 192,5 km
11. Courchevel - Briançon, 173 km
12. Briançon - Digne-les-Bains, 187 km
13. Miramas - Montpellier, 173,5 km
14. Agde - Ax-3-Domaines, 220,5 km
15. Lezat-sur-Leze-Saint-Lary Solan, 205,5 km
--- 2. μερα ξεκουρασης ---
16. Mourenx - Pau, 180,5 km
17. Pau - Revel, 239,5 km
18. Albi - Mende, 189 km
19. Issoire - Le Puy-en-Velay, 153,5 km
20. Saint Etienne - Saint Etienne, 55,5 km (αγωνας ταχυτητας ποδηλατων)
21. Corbeil-Essones - Paris, 144 km

[projected]

Loipon, orismena nea apo to Tour liges meres prin arxisoume:

1) Dustuxws den summetexoun CUNEGO,SIMONI...
O Cunego, opws sas eixa hdh pei, exei ton io ths monopurhnwshs (auto ekshgei thn a8lia emfanish tou ston Giro d'Italia), enw o SIMONI eixe hdh programatisei th summetoxh tou fetos mono ston Giro d'Italia kai ston Guro ths Ispanias ( Vuelta)

ARA, oi elpides ths Italias 8a einai o IVAN o "TROMEROS" BASSO kai o GARZELLI (prepei na gurisei o kosmos olos omws gia na kerdisei....einai san na leme oti h Ellada 8a parei to moundial..)

2) X8es o Armstrong (htan sthn Nikaia) epese sthn proponhsh alla den traumatisthke idiaitera (mono sto proswpo elafra)

Opws kai ta teleutaia 4 xronia , etsi kai fetos, 8a sunodeuetai apo 2 astunomikous 24h/24

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-Gia ta fabori, ta exoume hdh pei.

-Se epomena post 8a sas pw poies meres na parakolou8hsete OPWSDHPOTE to Tour de France (an kai ksexaste tis anhfores tou Giro d'Italia.....pantws 2-3 diadromes sta bouna 8a einai entupwsiakes)

-Auth einai h persunh telikh ba8mologia:


1 ARMSTRONG LANCE (USA ) US POSTAL 83h 36' 02''
2 KLOEDEN ANDREAS (GER ) T-MOBILE 06' 19''
3 BASSO IVAN (ITA ) CSC WORLD ONLINE 06' 40''


- Ante, kanw kai tis problepseis mou gia to ba8ro:

Auto pou 8a h8ela

1) Ivan Basso
2) Ullrich
3) Armstrong

Auto pou problepw

1) O Amerikanos...
2) Ivan Basso
3) Ullrich h Vinokurov